| Pick and choice time at Witchvox??? | by Lux for everyone |
"Covens and Covenants"
Are you (or have you ever been) part of a coven, grove, hearth or other Pagan group that meets regularly to worship? If so, what are the structures, agreements and organizing principles that bind the group together? Are there initiations? Degrees? An inner/outer circle? Does the group offer clergy training? What is involved in the screening process for new members/students? Is there a Book of Shadows or similar written material that is only given to members of the group? Is a certain level of participation required? Tell us about the structures and standards of your group, and what you think is worth keeping and what might be worth changing.
Are you (or have you ever been) part of a coven, grove, hearth or other Pagan group that meets regularly to worship? If so, what are the structures, agreements and organizing principles that bind the group together? Are there initiations? Degrees? An inner/outer circle? Does the group offer clergy training? What is involved in the screening process for new members/students? Is there a Book of Shadows or similar written material that is only given to members of the group? Is a certain level of participation required? Tell us about the structures and standards of your group, and what you think is worth keeping and what might be worth changing.
posted at the honorable witchvox.com....
Its
merely lip service to the idea of how are you happy and un-happy with
your faith, design, and living spiritual truth.....(is this the mormon
checklist?)
or is do as you will need more of a what have you done clause?
Either
way WICCA and Neo-Pagan designs seem to want to know about the stuff
they are claiming that they already known and accepted?
or when you join WICCAN/O-pag designs do you actually accept ANYTHING?
Like
a phychology lesson, lol...are you happy with your living life as a
pagan or wicca witch and if so tell us about your hopes for the honored
or dis-honroed groups you joined or wanted to and their very
secrets..that you was apart of...and how it should be fixed? and why?
ZFunny.....
 | The numbers tell why a coven is so | by Lux for everyone |
actually,
as i was taught 9 was the number of people in a coven and this had to
do with the 3 paths that life goes, and the 3 minds of the self....but
they did this without really knowing, as much of witchery is about,
doing before you understand it...
but then the occult world has switched it to the stroke of midnight, 13:00 however midnight is 12:00 (the secret is they was trying to merge the number 4 to form the balances of nature, 3+1 and the nature of the occult not witchery is 12 (2+1=3)
the extent of this insight is seen all over numerology,... however fails to fit when it is applied to wicca until you add te number 4.....
but then the occult world has switched it to the stroke of midnight, 13:00 however midnight is 12:00 (the secret is they was trying to merge the number 4 to form the balances of nature, 3+1 and the nature of the occult not witchery is 12 (2+1=3)
the extent of this insight is seen all over numerology,... however fails to fit when it is applied to wicca until you add te number 4.....
So why is witchery more true then wicca *because the numbers add up...
The last 3 are the ones un-seen (but only witches know witch like wisdom)
| About Magick, Witchcraft and Me... | by Lux for everyone |
Well,
ok... i was brought into the occult as of age 11 and worked in many
fields of its basics and adepthood, but in the end Wizardryl found me,
as of witchcraft, i have to be honest as i was in the magehood designs,
we laughed at witchcraft, beliving witches to be just a minor form of
magickal design like sprite or elf, however as i later learned from an
encounter in my later years...i was drawn to go to an area and there i
had the pleasure of meeting a "Real Witch" or should i say about 4, one
who eventually become my teacher and highpriestess...(normally
witchcraft has no such person as in Highpriest or Highpriestess (these
are token titles given to one in Ceremonial magickal designs, such as
cabal, or occult /voodou type designs) and then re-promoted in the
wiccan design, witchery had room for them but they wasn't a open subject
of talk, you was taught witch to witch other, and then in group or
not...(wiccan degree designs) gave way to the popularation of this 15th
century pagan and 1920's reform if not later design of label) As for
me i have 24+ years under my belt in this art and all the parts that
madeup its ladder of wisdom, hope you will find the same insight i did,
because it is a mystical world/worlds we can share however if your not
one willing to look into the mirror you will never be ready to see what
is looking back.....
Magick as i learned is much more then the constructive meditational and physic playthings of the more then basick adept, know i say this in respect for te beginners, however i must enlighten in truth the mental mind in magic makes up 90 percent in the beginning, but once you touched opon the source or sources that make up this connection, you need only half and then eventual only 20 percent or less until it is effortless, (some when they reach this stage make homes in it others try to build within to fit a newer and more funtional model of how to call on the powers, and they are powers like the light and the sound, and the nature and the beast, they are raw and ready, however they need linking, and this is called "tuning to the basic student in magick")
as for witchery (wicca is but a shadow of a shadow, a womanly light against a light,) not the way witchcraft was and will be when this newly re-developing religion gives away its veil and calls opon the powers as the beginning witches have and that is what puzzles the reader of wiccan books, and to that i say...happy witchery.....)
balance is there to teach you where the edge is not to teach you why they are used, but when you are falling there is no edges until you stop or think about them,......
be edgeless and fall into truth,
I welcome any who can hold the witches truth in their hands either left or right while balancing a candle lite by the hands of nature...about their design and stand true to it..., only 20% of all womenhood i have esitimated could do this...as well as my teacher and hers (however i say 20%, she says more like 35%) We shall see....
Magick as i learned is much more then the constructive meditational and physic playthings of the more then basick adept, know i say this in respect for te beginners, however i must enlighten in truth the mental mind in magic makes up 90 percent in the beginning, but once you touched opon the source or sources that make up this connection, you need only half and then eventual only 20 percent or less until it is effortless, (some when they reach this stage make homes in it others try to build within to fit a newer and more funtional model of how to call on the powers, and they are powers like the light and the sound, and the nature and the beast, they are raw and ready, however they need linking, and this is called "tuning to the basic student in magick")
as for witchery (wicca is but a shadow of a shadow, a womanly light against a light,) not the way witchcraft was and will be when this newly re-developing religion gives away its veil and calls opon the powers as the beginning witches have and that is what puzzles the reader of wiccan books, and to that i say...happy witchery.....)
balance is there to teach you where the edge is not to teach you why they are used, but when you are falling there is no edges until you stop or think about them,......
be edgeless and fall into truth,
I welcome any who can hold the witches truth in their hands either left or right while balancing a candle lite by the hands of nature...about their design and stand true to it..., only 20% of all womenhood i have esitimated could do this...as well as my teacher and hers (however i say 20%, she says more like 35%) We shall see....
| The truth of wicca craft | by Lux for everyone |
A TRUE HISTORY OF WIcca CRAFT 2 "The fact is that the instincts of ignorant people invariably
find expression in some form of witchcraft. It matters little
what the metaphysician or the moralist may inculcate; the animal
sticks to his subconscious ideas..."
Aleister Crowley
The Confessions
"As attunement to psychic (occult) reality has grown in
America, one often misunderstood and secretive branch of it has
begun to flourish also -- magical religion..."
J. Gordon Melton
Institute for the Study of
American Religion, Green Egg, 1975
"Curse them! Curse them! Curse them!
With my Hawk's head I peck at the eyes of
Jesus as he hangs upon the cross
I flap my wings in the face of Mohammed &
blind him
With my claws I tear out the flesh of the
Indian and the Buddhist, Mongol and
Din..."
Liber Al Vel Legis 3:50 - 53
"If you are on the Path, and see the Buddha walking towards
you, kill him."
Zen saying, paraphrased slightly
"Previously I never thought of doubting that there were many
witches in the world; now, however, when I examine the public
record, I find myself believing that there are hardly any..."
Father Friedrich von Spee, S.J. , Cautio Criminalis, 1631
Having spent the day musing over the origins of the modern
witchcraft, I had a vivid dream. It seemed to be a cold January
afternoon, and Aleister Crowley was having Gerald Gardner over
to tea. It was 1945, and talk of an early end to the war was
in the air. An atmosphere of optimism prevailed in the "free
world" , but the wheezing old magus was having none of it.
"Nobody is interested in magick any more!" Crowley ejaculated.
"My friends on the Continent are dead or in exile, or grown old;
the movement in America is in shambles. I've seen my best
candidates turn against me....Achad, Regardie -- even that
gentleman out in California, what's - his - name, AMORC, the
one that made all the money.."
"O, bosh, Crowley," Gardner waved his hand impatiently, "all
things considered, you've done pretty well for yourself. Why, you've
been called the `wickedest man in the world' and by more than a
few. And you've not, if you'll pardon the impertinence, done
too badly with the ladies."
Crowley coughed, tugged on his pipe reflectively. "You know" he
finally ventured, "it's like I've been trying to tell this
fellow Grant. A restrictive Order is not enough. If I had it
all to do over again, I would've built a religion for the
unwashed masses instead of just a secret society. Why, the
opportunities! The women!"
Gardner smiled. "Precisely. And that is what I have come to
propose to you. Take your BOOK OF THE LAW, your GNOSTIC MASS.
Add a little razzle-dazzle for the country folk. Why I know
these occultists who call themselves `witches'. They dance
around fires naked, get drunk, have a good time. Rosicrucians,
I think. Proper English country squires and dames, mostly; I
think they read a lot of Frazier and Margaret Murray. If I could
persuade you to draw on your long experience and talents, in no
time at all we could invent a popular cult that would have
beautiful ladies clamoring to let us strip them naked, tie them
up and spank their behinds! If, Mr. Crowley, you'll excuse my
explicitness."
For all his infirmity, Aleister Crowley almost sprang to his
feet, a little of the old energy flashing through his loins. "By
George, Gardner, you've got something there, I should think! I
could license you to initiate people into the O.T.O. today, and
you could form the nucleus of such a group!" He paced in
agitation. "Yes, yes," he mused, half to Gardner, half to
himself. "The Book. The Mass. I could write some rituals. An
`ancient book' of magick. A `book of shadows'. Priestesses,
naked girls. Yes. By Jove, yes!"
Great story, but merely a dream , created out of bits and
pieces of rumor, history and imagination. Don't be surprised,
though, if a year or five years from now you read it as
"gospel" (which is an ironic synonym for `truth') in some new
learned text on the fabled history of Wicca. Such is the way
all mythologies come into being.
Please don't misunderstand me here; I use the word `mythology'
in this context in its aboriginal meaning, and with considerable
respect. History is more metaphor than factual accounting at
best, and there are myths by which we live and others by which
we die. Myths are the dreams and visions which parallel
objective history. This entire work is, in fact, an attempt to
approximate history.
To arrive at some perspective on what the modern mythos called,
variously, "Wicca", the "Old Religion", "Witchcraft" and
"Neopaganism" is, we must firstly make a firm distinction;
"witchcraft" in the popular informally defined sense may have
little to do with the modern religion that goes by the same
name. It has been argued by defenders of and formal apologists
for modern Wicca that it is a direct lineal descendent of an
ancient, indeed, prehistoric worldwide folk religion.
Some proponents hedge their claims, calling Wicca a "revival"
rather than a continuation of an ancient cult. Oddly enough,
there may never have been any such cult! The first time I met
someone who thought she was a "witch," she started going on
about being a "blue of the cloak." I should've been warned
right then and there. In fact, as time has passed and the
religion has spread, the claims of lineal continuity have
tended to be hedged more and more. Thus, we find Dr.
Gardner himself, in 1954, stating unambiguously that some
witches are descendants "... of a line of priests and
priestesses of an old and probably Stone Age religion, who have
been initiated in a certain way (received into the circle) and
become the recipients of certain ancient learning." (Gardner,
WITCHCRAFT TODAY, pp 33-34.)
Stated in its most extreme form, Wicca may be defined as an
ancient pagan religious system of beliefs and practices, with a
form of apostolic succession (that is, with knowledge and
ordination handed on lineally from generation to generation), a
more or less consistent set of rites and myths, and even a
secret holy book of considerable antiquity (The Book of
Shadows).
More recent writers, as we have noted, have hedged a good deal
on these claims, particularly the latter. Thus we find Stewart
Farrar in 1971 musing on the purported ancient text thusly:
"Whether, therefore, the whole of the Book of Shadows is post-
1897 is anyone's guess. Mine is that, like the Bible, it is a
patchwork of periods and sources, and that since it is copied
and re-copied by hand, it includes amendments, additions, and
stylistic alterations according to the taste of a succession of
copiers...Parts of it I sense to be genuinely old; other parts
suggest modern interpolation..." (Farrar, WHAT WITCHES DO, pp
34-35.) As we shall discover presently, there appear to be no
genuinely old copies of the Book of Shadows.
Still, as to the mythos, Farrar informs us that the "two
personifications of witchcraft are the Horned God and the Mother
Goddess..." (ibid, p 29) and that the "Horned God is not the
Devil, and never has been. If today `Satanist' covens do exist,
they are not witches but a sick fringe, delayed-reaction
victims of a centuries-old Church propaganda in which even
intelligent Christians no longer believe..." (ibid, p 32).
One could protest:, "Very well, some case might be made for
the Horned God being mistaken for the Christian Devil (or should
that be the other way around?), but what record, prior to the
advent 50 years ago of modern Wicca via Gerald Gardner, do we
have of the survival of a mother goddess image from ancient
times?"
Wiccan apologists frequently refer to the (apparently
isolated) tenth century church document which states that "some
wicked women, perverted by the Devil, seduced by the illusions
and phantasms of demons, believe and profess themselves in the
hours of the night to ride upon certain beasts with Diana, the
goddess of pagans, or with Herodias, and an innumerable
multitude of women, and in the silence of the dead of night to
traverse great spaces of earth, and to obey her commands as of
their mistress, and to be summoned to her service on certain
nights." (Quoted in Valiente, WITCHCRAFT FOR TOMORROW, Hale,
1978, p 32.) I do not doubt that bits of pagan folklore survived
on the Continent through the first millenium -- Northern Europe
remained overtly pagan until the High Middle Ages. But what has
this to do with Wicca?
Farrar, for his part, explains the lack of references to a
goddess in the testimony at the infamous witch trials by
asserting that "the judges ignored the Goddess, being
preoccupied with the Satan-image of the God.." (WHAT WITCHES DO,
p 33). But it is the evidence of that reign of terror which
lasted from roughly 1484 to 1692 which brings the whole idea of
a surviving religious cult into question. It is now the
conventional wisdom on the witchburning mania which swept like a
plague over much of Europe during the transition from medieval
world to modern that it was JUST that; a mania, a delusion in the
minds of Christian clergymen and state authorities; that is, there
were no witches, only the innocent victims of the witch hunt.
Part 2 next......
find expression in some form of witchcraft. It matters little
what the metaphysician or the moralist may inculcate; the animal
sticks to his subconscious ideas..."
Aleister Crowley
The Confessions
"As attunement to psychic (occult) reality has grown in
America, one often misunderstood and secretive branch of it has
begun to flourish also -- magical religion..."
J. Gordon Melton
Institute for the Study of
American Religion, Green Egg, 1975
"Curse them! Curse them! Curse them!
With my Hawk's head I peck at the eyes of
Jesus as he hangs upon the cross
I flap my wings in the face of Mohammed &
blind him
With my claws I tear out the flesh of the
Indian and the Buddhist, Mongol and
Din..."
Liber Al Vel Legis 3:50 - 53
"If you are on the Path, and see the Buddha walking towards
you, kill him."
Zen saying, paraphrased slightly
"Previously I never thought of doubting that there were many
witches in the world; now, however, when I examine the public
record, I find myself believing that there are hardly any..."
Father Friedrich von Spee, S.J. , Cautio Criminalis, 1631
Having spent the day musing over the origins of the modern
witchcraft, I had a vivid dream. It seemed to be a cold January
afternoon, and Aleister Crowley was having Gerald Gardner over
to tea. It was 1945, and talk of an early end to the war was
in the air. An atmosphere of optimism prevailed in the "free
world" , but the wheezing old magus was having none of it.
"Nobody is interested in magick any more!" Crowley ejaculated.
"My friends on the Continent are dead or in exile, or grown old;
the movement in America is in shambles. I've seen my best
candidates turn against me....Achad, Regardie -- even that
gentleman out in California, what's - his - name, AMORC, the
one that made all the money.."
"O, bosh, Crowley," Gardner waved his hand impatiently, "all
things considered, you've done pretty well for yourself. Why, you've
been called the `wickedest man in the world' and by more than a
few. And you've not, if you'll pardon the impertinence, done
too badly with the ladies."
Crowley coughed, tugged on his pipe reflectively. "You know" he
finally ventured, "it's like I've been trying to tell this
fellow Grant. A restrictive Order is not enough. If I had it
all to do over again, I would've built a religion for the
unwashed masses instead of just a secret society. Why, the
opportunities! The women!"
Gardner smiled. "Precisely. And that is what I have come to
propose to you. Take your BOOK OF THE LAW, your GNOSTIC MASS.
Add a little razzle-dazzle for the country folk. Why I know
these occultists who call themselves `witches'. They dance
around fires naked, get drunk, have a good time. Rosicrucians,
I think. Proper English country squires and dames, mostly; I
think they read a lot of Frazier and Margaret Murray. If I could
persuade you to draw on your long experience and talents, in no
time at all we could invent a popular cult that would have
beautiful ladies clamoring to let us strip them naked, tie them
up and spank their behinds! If, Mr. Crowley, you'll excuse my
explicitness."
For all his infirmity, Aleister Crowley almost sprang to his
feet, a little of the old energy flashing through his loins. "By
George, Gardner, you've got something there, I should think! I
could license you to initiate people into the O.T.O. today, and
you could form the nucleus of such a group!" He paced in
agitation. "Yes, yes," he mused, half to Gardner, half to
himself. "The Book. The Mass. I could write some rituals. An
`ancient book' of magick. A `book of shadows'. Priestesses,
naked girls. Yes. By Jove, yes!"
Great story, but merely a dream , created out of bits and
pieces of rumor, history and imagination. Don't be surprised,
though, if a year or five years from now you read it as
"gospel" (which is an ironic synonym for `truth') in some new
learned text on the fabled history of Wicca. Such is the way
all mythologies come into being.
Please don't misunderstand me here; I use the word `mythology'
in this context in its aboriginal meaning, and with considerable
respect. History is more metaphor than factual accounting at
best, and there are myths by which we live and others by which
we die. Myths are the dreams and visions which parallel
objective history. This entire work is, in fact, an attempt to
approximate history.
To arrive at some perspective on what the modern mythos called,
variously, "Wicca", the "Old Religion", "Witchcraft" and
"Neopaganism" is, we must firstly make a firm distinction;
"witchcraft" in the popular informally defined sense may have
little to do with the modern religion that goes by the same
name. It has been argued by defenders of and formal apologists
for modern Wicca that it is a direct lineal descendent of an
ancient, indeed, prehistoric worldwide folk religion.
Some proponents hedge their claims, calling Wicca a "revival"
rather than a continuation of an ancient cult. Oddly enough,
there may never have been any such cult! The first time I met
someone who thought she was a "witch," she started going on
about being a "blue of the cloak." I should've been warned
right then and there. In fact, as time has passed and the
religion has spread, the claims of lineal continuity have
tended to be hedged more and more. Thus, we find Dr.
Gardner himself, in 1954, stating unambiguously that some
witches are descendants "... of a line of priests and
priestesses of an old and probably Stone Age religion, who have
been initiated in a certain way (received into the circle) and
become the recipients of certain ancient learning." (Gardner,
WITCHCRAFT TODAY, pp 33-34.)
Stated in its most extreme form, Wicca may be defined as an
ancient pagan religious system of beliefs and practices, with a
form of apostolic succession (that is, with knowledge and
ordination handed on lineally from generation to generation), a
more or less consistent set of rites and myths, and even a
secret holy book of considerable antiquity (The Book of
Shadows).
More recent writers, as we have noted, have hedged a good deal
on these claims, particularly the latter. Thus we find Stewart
Farrar in 1971 musing on the purported ancient text thusly:
"Whether, therefore, the whole of the Book of Shadows is post-
1897 is anyone's guess. Mine is that, like the Bible, it is a
patchwork of periods and sources, and that since it is copied
and re-copied by hand, it includes amendments, additions, and
stylistic alterations according to the taste of a succession of
copiers...Parts of it I sense to be genuinely old; other parts
suggest modern interpolation..." (Farrar, WHAT WITCHES DO, pp
34-35.) As we shall discover presently, there appear to be no
genuinely old copies of the Book of Shadows.
Still, as to the mythos, Farrar informs us that the "two
personifications of witchcraft are the Horned God and the Mother
Goddess..." (ibid, p 29) and that the "Horned God is not the
Devil, and never has been. If today `Satanist' covens do exist,
they are not witches but a sick fringe, delayed-reaction
victims of a centuries-old Church propaganda in which even
intelligent Christians no longer believe..." (ibid, p 32).
One could protest:, "Very well, some case might be made for
the Horned God being mistaken for the Christian Devil (or should
that be the other way around?), but what record, prior to the
advent 50 years ago of modern Wicca via Gerald Gardner, do we
have of the survival of a mother goddess image from ancient
times?"
Wiccan apologists frequently refer to the (apparently
isolated) tenth century church document which states that "some
wicked women, perverted by the Devil, seduced by the illusions
and phantasms of demons, believe and profess themselves in the
hours of the night to ride upon certain beasts with Diana, the
goddess of pagans, or with Herodias, and an innumerable
multitude of women, and in the silence of the dead of night to
traverse great spaces of earth, and to obey her commands as of
their mistress, and to be summoned to her service on certain
nights." (Quoted in Valiente, WITCHCRAFT FOR TOMORROW, Hale,
1978, p 32.) I do not doubt that bits of pagan folklore survived
on the Continent through the first millenium -- Northern Europe
remained overtly pagan until the High Middle Ages. But what has
this to do with Wicca?
Farrar, for his part, explains the lack of references to a
goddess in the testimony at the infamous witch trials by
asserting that "the judges ignored the Goddess, being
preoccupied with the Satan-image of the God.." (WHAT WITCHES DO,
p 33). But it is the evidence of that reign of terror which
lasted from roughly 1484 to 1692 which brings the whole idea of
a surviving religious cult into question. It is now the
conventional wisdom on the witchburning mania which swept like a
plague over much of Europe during the transition from medieval
world to modern that it was JUST that; a mania, a delusion in the
minds of Christian clergymen and state authorities; that is, there
were no witches, only the innocent victims of the witch hunt.
Part 2 next......
| Your a Witch of the Goddess "the rite" | by Lux for everyone |
If you have the candles as set by the way we of the root use them,
then begin....(from ritual 2)
Wzdrylmaster1 [10:08 AM]: i am the goddesss's daughter
Wzdrylmaster1 [10:08 AM]: she is the teacher of me,
tal [10:08 AM]: i am the goddess's daughter
tal [10:08 AM]: she is the teacher of me
Wzdrylmaster1 [10:09 AM]: her, and her symbol they guide me,
Wzdrylmaster1 [10:09 AM]: they teach and offer me freedom to be
tal [10:09 AM]: her, and her symbol they guide me,
tal [10:09 AM]: they teach and offer me freedom to be
Wzdrylmaster1 [10:09 AM]: the witch inside i see
tal [10:09 AM]: the witch inside I see
Wzdrylmaster1 [10:10 AM]: the world will await her voice
tal [10:10 AM]: the world will await her voice
Wzdrylmaster1 [10:10 AM]: and in the natures will she say
Wzdrylmaster1 [10:10 AM]: i am this witch
tal [10:10 AM]: and in the natures will she say
tal [10:10 AM]: i am this witch
Wzdrylmaster1 [10:10 AM]: and forever will i stay...
tal [10:11 AM]: and forever will i stay...
Wzdrylmaster1 [10:11 AM]: So mote is Be
tal [10:11 AM]: So mote it Be
Wzdrylmaster1 [10:12 AM]: copy it down, and say it thrice,
Wzdrylmaster1 [10:12 AM]: at (the firing of your candles)
Wzdrylmaster1 [10:08 AM]: she is the teacher of me,
tal [10:08 AM]: i am the goddess's daughter
tal [10:08 AM]: she is the teacher of me
Wzdrylmaster1 [10:09 AM]: her, and her symbol they guide me,
Wzdrylmaster1 [10:09 AM]: they teach and offer me freedom to be
tal [10:09 AM]: her, and her symbol they guide me,
tal [10:09 AM]: they teach and offer me freedom to be
Wzdrylmaster1 [10:09 AM]: the witch inside i see
tal [10:09 AM]: the witch inside I see
Wzdrylmaster1 [10:10 AM]: the world will await her voice
tal [10:10 AM]: the world will await her voice
Wzdrylmaster1 [10:10 AM]: and in the natures will she say
Wzdrylmaster1 [10:10 AM]: i am this witch
tal [10:10 AM]: and in the natures will she say
tal [10:10 AM]: i am this witch
Wzdrylmaster1 [10:10 AM]: and forever will i stay...
tal [10:11 AM]: and forever will i stay...
Wzdrylmaster1 [10:11 AM]: So mote is Be
tal [10:11 AM]: So mote it Be
Wzdrylmaster1 [10:12 AM]: copy it down, and say it thrice,
Wzdrylmaster1 [10:12 AM]: at (the firing of your candles)
end.....
| Examples of the 4 designs of the magical circle | by Lux for everyone |
Air: is the head because it is the beginning of being
Fire: is next because its the test of self......the gift to feel
(the duality of the water and fire) in the world of the 3rd
Then water is your place and together your the power,
(however these are only the natures of the circles markings, not the powers.......just the energy of the circle
(fire: past, earth: future, water: present, air: the world within/beyond)
"Et Tera Ves Del Sante,.......see you soon..
| The first of the 4 "ritual of the witches birth" | by Lux for everyone |
the 5 candles........are to be set like this....
O white (head)
O red (left arm) O blue (right arm)
O green (leg) O yellow (left leg)
O red (left arm) O blue (right arm)
O green (leg) O yellow (left leg)
form a star design, but don't draw one........place at each point design
White: the witches Psychic will
Red: passion of the world
Blue: the witches power to heal and teach
Green: natures oath and promise
Yellow: the power of the witches transformation
Red: passion of the world
Blue: the witches power to heal and teach
Green: natures oath and promise
Yellow: the power of the witches transformation
(then later you will have 2 other candles: black and purple)
Light opon the candles said, to draw the spirit from the dead,
stand at the legs and say Et Tera Ves Del Sante, to which will bring the next of days,
for your in the book and the tome, where magick begins the rest need not roam,
(know the power as its called, for in the end is no walls)
Enter into an Oath with thee, to see the witches spirit free,
your markings name you as you say, and put sun to moon and stars away
within your soul is the key, as you put out the candles..so let it be.....
"opon your teacher you now call, for the symbols will those know all"
at the head you begin, marked in time and not in sin
from the hands your powers grow and the tones will it show,
from the chest will you get, all the powers past as set,
from the stomach you play the game and water willing time the same,
from the legs your marking pays, and will haunt you all your days,
for you have taken to the sight, and wishing will or water white,
your a witch as nature called but in ritual your only starting off,
because there is the 4 that you will meet and your only one by this feat...
So learn your lessons and be well, because the powers your called will it tell...
stand at the legs and say Et Tera Ves Del Sante, to which will bring the next of days,
for your in the book and the tome, where magick begins the rest need not roam,
(know the power as its called, for in the end is no walls)
Enter into an Oath with thee, to see the witches spirit free,
your markings name you as you say, and put sun to moon and stars away
within your soul is the key, as you put out the candles..so let it be.....
"opon your teacher you now call, for the symbols will those know all"
at the head you begin, marked in time and not in sin
from the hands your powers grow and the tones will it show,
from the chest will you get, all the powers past as set,
from the stomach you play the game and water willing time the same,
from the legs your marking pays, and will haunt you all your days,
for you have taken to the sight, and wishing will or water white,
your a witch as nature called but in ritual your only starting off,
because there is the 4 that you will meet and your only one by this feat...
So learn your lessons and be well, because the powers your called will it tell...
| Merry Meet | by rowanallura for everyone |
Merry
Mett I am Rowanallura. I am a Solitary Witch who reads Tarot, I am also
a Hedgewitch and love to learn any and everything I can.
I
live in the eastern part of Oregon and have a supportive husband and
three wonderful kids, a daughter 18 and two sons one 15 and the other
13.I just started my classes at the Sacred Mist College.
Thank you for having me and I am looking forward to getting to know everyone.
Love and Light
Rowanallura
| Why being witch is so not a roleplaying thing... | by Lux for everyone |
Witches virtues and self:
1.
A witch is a person (formally female) who has strong feelings about
emotional energy or fields they cross more then just the questioning (5
basic) senses...
2. A witch has the abuilty to
influence it and to detect when it might have been formed from...(if not
challenged by outside energy, such as another in the arts)..
3.
A witch naturally (without resistance) connects to nature based energy
fields such as : weather, spaces that are ancient, and long lived
memories as it time stopped there...
4. Witches do spells on themselves and others its in their nature to do so, with or without request......
5.
Witches existance is much like a deam scape living in the physical
while trafficing in the paranature, shadowed world, or the astral limbo
like realms of the spaces between times...
(not just some psych-trip, or drug induced illusion)
(not just some psych-trip, or drug induced illusion)
6.
Witches don't use drugs, that doesn't mean they won't its just that the
field they encounter can create a simular if not stronger emotional
backlash then any half created drug, and will not leave them mindless or
lacking of insight later....(the risk to know is the same though)
7.
Freedom of the body, A witch doesn't have hangup on what to wear or not
to wear, they go with the energy or essenses of the simplistic, and
they aren't fearful of their own design, because to be fearful is to
block apart of their true magick.....
8. A witch
has an hunger for the night and winds that are more then a gust, they
take them as a sign of things to come and gather energy in them, the
fullness of this is felt in Dark arts rituals....
9.
A witch works with the spirits of the past and traveling, they are a
magnet for paranature(ghosting) and they share in a form of mental
tuning to be able to do this....
10. Witches
have internal fires in their aura and in their person, some witches act
bigger then they are, however that doesn't mean they won't be.......and
when crossed has a not forgive easy policy....(so be way out of the way
when it hits)
11. A witches aura can blend and
connect to others in the same aura, they tend to "bewitch" with this
skill even if they wasn't taught, and through this can reach states of
known hynotic trances.....(the nature of the witches soul)
12.
A witch is an advid reader of things, the soul, the senses, nature,
plants, animals, they are a mini scholar (some nebies in the
psycho-fields) this this is what makes them a witch, well its only a
trait not the witches true path....(wisdom is all these witchy future
seekers gathered, not the witches heart) that just seems to take more
learning from the 1-11 statements just mentioned..
13.Witches
are interested in the un-usual, drawn to it like the moth to the flame,
but just like the moth (they: witches) learn quickly...it is because of
their channeling abuilty in life, death, and memories, that they seek
the powers of these to create healing or awareness....(a witch can see a
little too much,...)
There are more but 13 is
the basic.......the rest is coven issues and ways the witch connects
with others like themselves in symbol......
(you can't fake what you are, you can only lie to yourself and say your not this when you are.....)
"And
just because you want to take part of this and part of that, you will
be part of and nothing more even if you think you are part......your
only a piece (a pawn in a game of queens and kings)"
because
things are more complete when you stop playing and get serious,
(Everyone knows you have to take the good experiences with the bad one
and the happy with the sad, otherwise your living half a life.....)
but..... a real witch knows these things, and has been saying it since the 1200's (before that it was taught not to be said)
| Merry Meet and Greetings | by morgaine_silveroak for everyone |
I
would like to say thankyou for the invitation to this group. I am
Morgaine SilverOak, an eclectic solitay witch at the moment. I live in
Las Vegas with my husband and we will soon be handfasted (Beltane). I
both own, asst manage and moderate many groups on MSN and Yahoo, and
some of you may know me from them.
I have been on my path
for about 5 years. I am currently studying three traditions: Correlian,
Triqueta Rose and Celtic all of which will degree me at some point in
time, although degrees really do little for me. I am going to begin
teaching Green WitchCraft classes on-line in May which will eventually
translate to the physical world.
I am originally from the
Pocono Mountains in Pennsylvania where I plan to return in the near
future, to be closer to my daughters and to put together a physical
circle of Learning and an eventual coven with my husband.
My
primary focus in the Craft is the education of others, including
children and teens as well as bringing more of the "neglected" men into
the pagan circles. LOL...lots of ideas, little time at the moment.
Anyway, Hello to everyone and I hope to get to know more of you in the future.
| The Night is Here | by Lux for everyone |
In the fire you shall burn, off all things will thee scorn,
For your the flower of the dark, to voices heard will it bark,
As for the sun or moon, your the power the goddesses tune,
Free your mind to begin, for what is coming isn't sin,
Granted your power three and from hill will you see,
From the rivers the water two, flowing first it is dew,
Circles cut and circles held, from the time of your spells,
The air is one in three you find, fire two which none can bind,
Earth is next a power re-newed, and soul is left to which is owed,
Granted the witches puzzle seeks, a powerful mage which virture meets,
To the seasons of the sun, begin in winter and by spring your done,
Two is one and one alike, which love and bond in truth not pike,
The mysteries of circle be, and fredom in spirit calls to see,
Ghost, the night, guardians of calling grand in flight,
For in your spell will you see, the libertan of all as it shall be,
So mote it be in compay say, for this is called of thy ending day,
Darkness a frame and nothing more, whom all should welcome to their door,
For they seek but to know, and make the witches show,
The vision of the moons red ring, to circle of fire it will sing,
1 and 2 and 3 is 4 and 5 to 6 and nothing more.....
Broken and lost the chain that fray, because the fear not gone away,
So be a One whom is of their salt or be casted in and forever taught....
| How do you spell relief? w.i.t.c.h.e.s lol | by Lux for everyone |
Congradulations, and saddness'es,
Because
you are the lucky few that have learn the secrets of witchcraft or are
going to and others might not want you to know it that good.......
Why? because less book revenue,
Why? because they have to put there words where there mouth is...now...
Why? because chanting and aroma-therapy isn't being accepted anymore as real magick...(k) or not..
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If
wiccan positional movent could forfill the nature of witch then why is
it in itself merging with other forms of magick design??? (or are they
in themselves searching for answers)
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Wicca has become so (franchized) it left most of the confines of its orginal rules and methods..
(wicca
would be cool if we lived in a fairytale world with coco-flavored
mountains, and i wish to clap my hands at the ones who in wicca see that
they was shown, only the cream and not the coffee.....(the strength) of
the witches real design.......
Why can't we all
be witches and you just drop.....go to a school of learn and say.....
(Why can't we all be given diploma without study or being able to say
why we wanted to study..., heck why not make us a proffessor...(if they
did that) just proves they had nothing to teach in the first place,
oh...but that diffrent, its not a religion or self discovering path.....
(so you want just to attend but not know, then you need to join a pagan group, your not studying magick...sorry)
But i have these gifts in myself so why do i have to understand what is in my very soul....
(are you your own doctor?, are you your own answering book?)
"so you want to use a gift in you but you don't know its source or nature?"
See
there are alot of questions, that i don't just pose here...but posed to
myself as i was going in and others i and the ones i work with.....see
and do...
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Witches as i learned want to know.........not just ride the wave
So i invite all whom hold the term witch in this reguard to come visit on my area.....
send me an email if your wanting to ......join or share....
maryland area (or about) please.......
| Question the mirror | by Lux for everyone |
Refected in the eyes of all you are meant to see,
desire and life and hope as free as can be,
the power is but a windows kiss the rest is just a key
the wind in the skies above and the ground to set you free,
you are the dream that is remembered in a thought,
not a political, or religious slogan in the war of the sought,
finding is your secret and forever is your sight,
the pannel of the cosmos determines who is up and right...
you can chant your calling or mark it in book,
but all you will feel is the lost and the time you took,
cackling is your madness set free, so you can share in the liberty,
I could go on for a thousand days and in thousand ways...
but then you would see nothing of what needs to be paid..
So gypsy, or modern witch, or acolite alike,
you can't get far from the Witches true plight....
| The Secret Book of Shadows | by Lux for everyone |
Well here it is......
normally
a Bos has only 6 subject sections, unlike a journal... a bos is a
summoning tool not a diary....and it is a starter book to a Grimore or a
Tome......
1. your spell and design to keep others out of your book by magick
2. your ritual of your gathering your air and earth skills
3. gate ways and servents of the spiritual design
4. your spell craft and its lore, not mythology but how you mix...
5. your tools and passages to the tools
6. your granting...(sorry its secret)
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a grimore has 8-12 subject areas...
a tome 20-30 but can be a journal as well, not often though...
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each subject area can be as long as it is required to be, so your Bos, workings and rite/ritual can fill many a page...
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The Modern Witches book... Wicca craft is more just a mock journal......and it has a way to be more.....
Well knowledge can be found in even the most basic of wording or scribble perhaps this might aid them as well....
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| Levyon Denmore (The Forgotten Circle) but not by us... | by Lux for everyone |
Sister coven to the somerset Witches, but over the Hill Traveler..
The Somerset
witches was two alleged covens that were exposed in the area in 1664.
According to the accusations there were two full-scale covens active.
Those involved in these covens were charged and pursued with zeal by the
local justice Robert Hunt until his superiors intervened asking hm to
desist from further enquiries. There were those that complained saying
that there were more covens but they were never allowed to find out. There was 4 covens but only two brought to rue....And Levyon's Coven wasn't active only reflective, in 1571....but not forfilled until 1717...
But thats history now, isn't it......or is it...
(Our Circles will continue)
| Support your local Witches in Witchery | by Lux for everyone |
Please Support your Local Witch/Coven by buying Witch Books not "wiccan/newagy knockoffs".........
Or if your a dedicated witchy one and want to promote Witchcraft books and things done by "Real Witches" contact here..
Donations are helpful: blkmagus13@aol.com
Why be second again?
Why not have Witch be a responsible word again?
Why not have Witchcraft truely mean "Magic(k)" instead of just a cross spiritual religion?
This message brought to you by:
( The Newly Formed Collation for the Discovery of Witchery )
"The
NF-CDW's goal is to bring back the spirit of the witch inside and out
to have the freedom to be seen as their trueselves.., Once removed of
the purposed title "Evil or Patheon-istic or Pagan" they can see that it
was never a sin or a loss of personal values in ones own discovery of that which they may have known since a child...
So
if you believe the spirit of witch social views are way beyond the mere
"books of the wiccan and pagan re-forming ideals (we) ask you to join
us in our Reclaiming of the word and nature of what the witch was
twisted to become due to false politics and hacks in the name of our
Craft...
Witchery is to be Proud and True are you?
| The Passions of Art | by Lux for everyone |
one of 3 pieces dedicated to the way of art....
| Wicca the missing string.... | by Lux for everyone |
What honestly is wrong with wicca?
Do they really know, or are they blind to it?
Why would such a "called" as in spiritual path be so lost?
Should we as educated witches really care?
Why not just let them be?
They will grow out of it, and see the holes in it?
Why does wicca act this way to its fellow community of witch and magickal others?
Are
they really any diffrent from satantist, meaning because they chose to
be blind and strubbon and not care why their spiritual design is
incorrect?
Should we care about them using witch title as their own?
Any Real witch will never say that they do wicca, know of wicca practiced it to understand it, but know it limits, so why?
Do as you will, seems to be have done as you seen?
Should we care?
If being a Witch means living in a wiccan like design and having a face face are we willing to do it?
Is being a witch, really about bending to the popular fad or idium of the Month....
If Wicca is so celtic why does it start in a greecian design?
Avalon wasn't an island, atlantis wasn't an ancient alien city, and eldorado wasn't all gold?
Mythos, Word of Mouth and method of transformation seems to leave alot of un-answered questions...
(or are they really answered but no one is hearing?)
Real witches was burned during the buring times, however some was hung...(is that the power) that drives the mythos?
*and still i think*
somewhere
along the line of mythos and fantasy the fairy ideals and the land of
the lost women of faith seemed to merge and create...
(middian)
If wicca was labeled not Witchcraft but "fairyology practices" i fear little if any might indulge in its grand remixure..
(ah, but then there is the Gia)
Mother
Goddess: baste/Hekat-e/Isis, demeter, kali, and other in the name of
goddesshood... and they shall be praised but not in the witches
design,.......
(powerful women of mythos and fact)
"but thats forum for a womans movement" not for Witchery..
Women can be witches, but not all will be "witchy"
(a fact i have found true to this day)
So share in your inner Goddess
Be as you want to be...
But if you are witchy , the rest of the world thus see
none can take that from you?
So should we care about wicca?
| Burn Witch Burn | by Lux for everyone |
CAST & CREW
Janet Blair, Peter Wyngarde, Colin Gordon
Directed by Sidney Hayers
more...
SYNOPSIS
Unfortunate scientist Norman Taylor (Peter Wyngarde) discovers that his wife (Janet Blair) may be a reborn witch
Janet Blair, Peter Wyngarde, Colin Gordon
Directed by Sidney Hayers
more...
SYNOPSIS
Unfortunate scientist Norman Taylor (Peter Wyngarde) discovers that his wife (Janet Blair) may be a reborn witch
MPAA RATING
Not Rated, Mild violence, Adult situations
RUNTIME
87 minutes
RELEASE DATES
Video: Dec 5, 2000
GENRE
Horror/Suspense, Horror, Supernatural, Horror Classic, Witches, Horror Movies
Not Rated, Mild violence, Adult situations
RUNTIME
87 minutes
RELEASE DATES
Video: Dec 5, 2000
GENRE
Horror/Suspense, Horror, Supernatural, Horror Classic, Witches, Horror Movies
Though
these type of films are mere films, the ideal of the discovery of one
who has an innerside they never know is common among the blossoming
wiccan and pagan ecletic..
( for this they seek the guidance of witches and or mages )
So why fear the film, it brings the questions about how and why strait to us...(the press being no better)for Practical magick i give it 3 stars, but you need to do something about the social premise (it stinks as a witch movie) is more of a bad date film coverup...as witchery..lol
for the movie the Craft, i see they cut out the real iniation (perhaps too ris..sky) well and the idea of the 4 corners was more like that movie...foxes....(when will hollywood do anything worth keeping long) disney films had more shelf life...
Ah, The witches of Eastwick, and they actually tried, but again a bad date film, but a cool actors and others, but others who went to Eastwick...are thinking..whoa....a witch comunity to happen...
York and Bwood, is the Pow-Wow neuvo-sheek, saddly that place hasn't seen magick since the brother grim...but a comunity it became, of pagan pow-wow, and the new shaman....
Blare Witch where are you, oh, your on Re-possesed....lol
And i though Satan's Chearleaders was cool,
I feel sorry for him, witches are a handful.....I know...
(what maddona going to be the next wicked witch?)
Ah, Fames a B..... but its also more show then go...but you lose more money and popcorn that way..
| fiona the wiccan playing witch on TV | by Lux for everyone |
Welcome fiona, perhaps when your a wiser wiccan you will learn why your image of witchery is fadish to say the least...
(i'm willing to offer you lessons...)
(i'm willing to offer you lessons...)
you got the idea right: but what wiccan hasn't...
its just the overall magick...(you have little or no clue)
(but we all learn, when its required...)
its just the overall magick...(you have little or no clue)
(but we all learn, when its required...)
saddly until you straiten your act.. fiona apple is more witchy then you..and thats bad....(but true)
Witchcraft
has many different paths (much like there are many types of Christians -
Catholics, Anglicans etc). The one that is currently enjoying the most
popularity is Wicca. Wicca is a Pagan religion meaning that Wiccans feel
love for and a connection with nature and see it as sacred.
Wicca honours the divine concept of Goddess and God and recognises that this divinity can exist wthin women and men.
Wiccans
celebrate eight religious festivals a year, called Sabbats and these
are based on the passing of the seasons and agricultural cycles, like
the sowing and harvesting of crops, and astronomical events, like the
solstices and equinoxes. We also experience the Lunar phases as
important times to celebrate our spirituality, particularly on the full
moon.
Some Wiccans do not use the word, Witch to describe
themselves, but many do, especiallywomen. This is seen as an attempt to
'reclaim' the word as it has become associated with negative stereotypes
of women. When a woman calls herself a Witch she is confronting
patriarchal societies' prejudice towards independent and empowered
women.
Witchcraft is a fascinating, logical, magickal, holy
and sexy religion that is nature worshipping and Goddess-oriented. All
good things in these stressed out, ecologically damaged, patriarchal
times.
Witchcraft is also the fastest growing spiritual path
in the western world – offfically this has been recognised by recent
Census reports in Australia, the UK and the USA.
Tags: mythos/truths
| Real Witchcraft Terms defined... | by Lux for everyone |
AKASHA
- An ancient sacred text, or high mind set way of thought that is
suppost to unveil the realities and wonders of the known and un-seen
universe...(mythos turn theory)
ALEXANDRIAN - That tradition of (reforming ideal) Witchcraft concepts descended from the teachings of Alex Sanders.
ALTAR
- In Witchery there are no altars, it is a concept in the form of old
occult to sell the religious and ceremonial design and then aquired into
the workings of satanic rites and wiccan goddess/god designs....(voodon
is the only altar working that is inscribed as witchery.
AMULET
- a tool of small size and or of stone or wood or material based
metals, that has a charge added to perform a task or to give signal to
the bearer...
ANKH -
Egyptian sygil used to refer to the balancesof life and death, however
is used as a mirror of the soul and related to the ideal that imortality
is just another vision from a diffrent form of material plane...
ARADIA
- Aradia is called the Queen of Witches. Though this is more a greek
mythos derived from the dianic form of goddess mythology used in many
Modern Wiccan traditions, she is central to the Italian witchcraft
tradition, Strega.(as advanced by the crowley journey)
ARCANA
- Though now used to refer to cards as in "Tarot", the word arcana
means "book of mystery" now refered to as the old word "tome", the word
and working of the arcana is just merely a defining of the hidden as in
spiritual message.....
ARCHETYPES
- Madeup word based on the idea od a supermind, when in reality it is
merely a doorway word to the subconsious as in the higherself or the
id(ego), modern workings define it as a Universal state but in reality
it is but one reality to the universal whole..
ASTRAL
PLANE - A visible world in between death and the dream state however
one can only venture to this world from the division of the soul by a
gateway or tansitional growth of being...(mainly a visual shell)
ASTRAL
PROJECTION - (most who try this don't make it to the astral, the Astral
is the place where the 3 minds merge and they develop the traveler in
the wonder of the darkness that is before them...) many can only project
to the etherial or base veil realms...
ATHAME
- A madeup (wiccan word) meaning inner torch, or athens in me, (The
ritual dagger is more just a knife with 2 sided blade design..used to
develop the self of the witch...(wiccans tend to take the idea as a
roman solider but in female form and some get ones the sizes of mini
swords...(the truth of the athame) goes back to the eye of delphi...
more to be added later.....
| hmm... luxas this is new. Oh, hello guys! | by Lux for everyone |
Well
everything i learned in witchcraft came from my teacher a Selective
"HP" in the orange street area.. well she showed me the design as it is
based in the body and self, and the symbols i however developed a
grander awareness as i sometimes do in the search for truthful
awareness.... the sygil like designs are both a social pattern of
working theways of the energy is formed in the selective circle
(advancing all the way to the (mage) design... however is limited in the
design of the self of magick and then takes on an almost universal
feel...
(but i have been apart of the working in these ritual formed based in this design for like almost over the years since my study with my witchcraft teacher..
(the elemental design i mean) ....air....head (deals with the psychic will) these are examples their are more but i will only display all the workings to those of my physical study and cove) sorry....( fire... internal power of witches energy)
and then (water...the skills of the witch developed through nature) the rest you have to study to truely know....
but knowing is only half the fun..using is better.....
Ty
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(but i have been apart of the working in these ritual formed based in this design for like almost over the years since my study with my witchcraft teacher..
(the elemental design i mean) ....air....head (deals with the psychic will) these are examples their are more but i will only display all the workings to those of my physical study and cove) sorry....( fire... internal power of witches energy)
and then (water...the skills of the witch developed through nature) the rest you have to study to truely know....
but knowing is only half the fun..using is better.....
Ty
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| Why did it take wicca so long to get the pattern of the elements correct | by Lux for everyone |
First:
wicca in its beginning tried to relate the elemental design of the the
pentagram to the way that deals with the personal energy and has real
ideal of the connectiveness to the universal, by trying to exclude the
idea of anything but self god/goddess design...
Second: Witch: A
practitioner of folk magick, particularly that kind relating to herbs,
stones, colors, wells, rivers, etc. It is used by some Wiccans to
describe themselves.
(this is the extent of their open
awareness of witches knowledge and all is in the social tools of a gypsy
and not the extent of the magickal design..)
Witchcraft: The
craft of the witch - magick, especially magick utilizing personal power
in conjunction with the energies within stones, herbs, colors, and
other natural objects
(And if they got witch wrong or
re-designed as a mere gypsy folk woman, then why would they not make
designs the "Craft" to equal it..) Sadd the witch is her craft and "you
witches that got over the wiccan flare and social bon-fire" know what i
speak...
so i offer to my group and those i teach the reality they was denied..
so witch away..i do...
(those that want why: study with me)
| Time to stand up and be seen... | by Lux for everyone |
If your serious about witchcraft and the workings of the nature of witch i am offering a local invite....
Send a letter with the 3 things i requested,
1. why do you wish to follow or do you follow already?
2. a pic of yourself if i haven't seen you and if you are local a contact #
3. What will you do when you have what you saught?
(the rest we will talk about personally...)
to : 513 N. Market St ( Frederick, Md 21701)
only the letter first, then the invite will follow,
because serious persons in the craft or magickal arts are all i wish to see offer, and they know that.......
:) happy 2004
Owner of the Root
| hello, my group | by Lux for everyone |
To all who are of my group here, my i say it is nice to have you....
now
for the difficult stuff, (my coven in Maryland/and other areas, is
about the serious design and workings of witchcraft, not the chant and
dance design or the call the corners and have someone be called to be a
voice of a deity it of the "powers of the self, the soul and the being
of witch" all are enhanced by the tools of witchery called "the craft")
This is what you learn when you study, this is what you take home when
you sleep and this is what teaches you as you grow up, many feel it,
think it, and dream it...but few can be of it....
(unless
they are making their own rules, and that is why we have wicca instead
of witch and witch is seen as wiccan......because its in the minds of
the beginners easier to build then to follow and easier to control ones
path then be held accountable for following any...
"do as you
will, means right a new book, don't like it write a better one" and
harm none means "we don't want you to harm our individual nature, you
can't prove us wrong so don't even try...." anyone notice that... (what
happened to the old saying: to thine own self be true", or you get what
you pay for....")
but i didn't start this message to debate
wiccan ideals.....i did it to show that by you comming here you proved
in a simple way that the witches will is still alive in both mage form
and witch...and you want answers....(or have answers)
I
just wanted to say Ty for wanting to see more in witchcraft then the
populas would want you to, it may cost you some picking on by the ones
who aren't what they say...but doesn't everything that one doesn't like
taste bad at first....
Though i don't have a Online Coven, consider the ones who want in as of here....honorary members of my Coven/group
Owner...( and those that want the physical view contact me soon)
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a hard hitting site....for the holidays...
| tis the season to face death again.. | by Lux for everyone |
As
Yul (its proper spelling) aproaches the old woman would clim by the
22th of the season into the hills covered in show and start the ritual
of calling death "the maker of change to her cavern" in order to have 10
more years of youthful beauty....
Death, give
beauty, no way.....but it is within his power to slow the time you spend
on this shell and the next ones to come, an what is the price of this
bargain huh.....why your soul, j/k....no...
Death
seeks a day with your powers, and night with your love, and a season
under his protection....give this and your beauty is turned back 10
years holding...
Death first offered to give
beauty eternal, but for that he had to share your soul and to spend time
as your equal, but that was a confusing price so death was fought out,
you can never win againt death, but he has rules as well that even he
can't break....sorry death is a he....
he as in
here.....(death like a god can take any form, but it can choose only
that which is connected to you, and he can't lie ever...)
Though
i will not teach you the secrets to win against death, because you
can't, and i won't allow you to barter, i was allowed to tell this
story...among the seasons of the charging and changing....
And now is the time of Change are you ready..........Witch
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The sabbath that never was.......
Ever
wonder why so many witch pictures, but yet not many witch truths...i
found it interesting that the workings of many of the ones that are said
to practice are done by the ones not let in....
Perhaps not being let in, only allows one to fantasize...
Yes we work in the nature of the eve and the night, but if they had the correct pictures.....we would really be in trouble...j/k
(or am i).....
| abit about how "Rooting Witchcraft" came to be | by Lux for everyone |
A
Ca Coven of like 11 years that has a line back to the area known as
leyvon france, my teacher a witch since she was born, in personality,
one day met a strange woman while she was traveling to the outer area of
salem mass in the late mid 80's before her trip back to colarado, well
she studied with this woman, and became well skilled in what was called
"witch workings" at the time...later refered to as Rooting Witchcraft,
from there i enter the picture after she is in Ca for a few months...I
meet her and i learn from her and her priestess....and because i was
already adept in the arts i moved very quickly up the ranks into what
was called the "highpriest position" normally this takes years but due
to my time there i studied as much as i could before traveling back to
Frederick...
The Art of Witchcraft, Orginally known to her
teacher was called "Leyvon sheu Vadon" it was a germanic/french teaching
in the occult arts of magic(k)
consisting of what a witch does....
(talk to spirits, tap the soul, read the weather and nature and bend living flame in a candle, sense living and dead energy and heal or curse and hex....) the rest was more gypsy like as wiccan style of workings...(there is more to the art then that but thats the design...)
consisting of what a witch does....
(talk to spirits, tap the soul, read the weather and nature and bend living flame in a candle, sense living and dead energy and heal or curse and hex....) the rest was more gypsy like as wiccan style of workings...(there is more to the art then that but thats the design...)
As far as my teachers went they had serveral arts of magick they studied before joining this craft.....as well....
I
liked it because of the natures it taught and the trust it instilled in
any who would become part of its legacy...(the rest you have to see to
believe..lol)
:)
| what beautiful these witches as wiccan want to be | by Lux for everyone |
beautiful picture, to bad fantasy doesn't equal reality....
witches don't nore didn't dream like these woman above,
can they now, you bet, but a witches design is one of simple splender....and when you met one you tell me..
"I mean a Real one"
picture from Sisters......Ty
| Primal Druidism, no such person..lol | by Lux for everyone |
A Very Brief History of Druidry
by Philip Carr-Gomm 2001
The lineage of the Druid spiritual tradition can be traced across many thousands of years of time.
We
see the first evidence of spiritual practice in Europe 25,000 years ago
- when candidates for initiation would crawl into caves, such as those
at Lascaux in France or Altamira in Spain, which are dramatically
painted with figures of wild animals. After being initiated in the belly
of Mother Earth, they were reborn into the light of day. Twenty
thousand years later, in around 3000 BC, we can see the same practice of
seeking rebirth within the Earth: great mounds were built, in which
initiates would sit in darkness awaiting the time of their rebirth. The
best example of this is found at New Grange in Ireland, where a shaft is
oriented to the Winter Solstice sunrise, so that the dawn rays can
bathe the initiate in sunlight after his or her vigil through the night.
Four and a half thousand years later, in the sixteenth century, the key
text of Druid spirituality, transcribed from the oral tradition by
Christian clerics, talks of the spiritual and magical training of a
Druid, in which he is eaten by a Goddess, enters her belly, and is
reborn as the greatest poet in the land. So from over twenty thousand
years ago to the sixteenth century, we see a common theme - which we
find again in the training of Druids and poets in Scotland up until the
seventeenth century. There, to awaken their creative genius, they were
told to lie in darkness for days, and after this period of sensory
deprivation, they were released into the brightness of the world
This is pagan (primal design) not druid......
The order is fake, cute not real..... but i knew that before i read....
why would any want to believe that druid is primal born, thats a lot of Bs....?
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6 days, 6-8,000 years, it makes no diffrence to the witch and the tapping of truthful univseral power....and wisdoms...
Its
felt in the bones, or in the room or in the voice of the woods : a
friendly visit by the powers that be, to remind you that there is
something more then just a spiritual direction but a cosmic design..
come view the aura of this design.................i do/did
or perhaps you just want to see why magic(k) is a shade of mystery
ask about my cd...!!! wzdrylmaster1@aol.com
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A True History of Witchcraft
Allen Greenfield
Allen Greenfield
"The
fact is that the instincts of ignorant people invariably find
expression in some form of witchcraft. It matters little what the
metaphysician or the moralist may inculcate; the animal sticks to his
subconscious ideas..." Aleister Crowley
The Confessions
The Confessions
"As
attunement to psychic (occult) reality has grown in America, one often
misunderstood and secretive branch of it has begun to flourish also -
magical religion..." J. Gordon Melton
Institute for the Study of
American Religion, Green Egg, 1975
Institute for the Study of
American Religion, Green Egg, 1975
"Curse them! Curse them! Curse them!
With my Hawk's head I peck at the eyes of
Jesus as he hangs upon the cross
I flap my wings in the face of Mohammed &
blind him
With my claws I tear out the flesh of the
Indian and the Buddhist, Mongol and
Din..." Liber Al Vel Legis 3:50 - 53
With my Hawk's head I peck at the eyes of
Jesus as he hangs upon the cross
I flap my wings in the face of Mohammed &
blind him
With my claws I tear out the flesh of the
Indian and the Buddhist, Mongol and
Din..." Liber Al Vel Legis 3:50 - 53
"If you are on the Path, and see the Buddha walking towards you, kill him." Zen saying, paraphrased slightly
"Previously
I never thought of doubting that there were many witches in the world;
now, however, when I examine the public record, I find myself believing
that there are hardly any..." Father Friedrich von Spee, S.J., Cautio Criminalis, 1631
Having
spent the day musing over the origins of the modern witchcraft, I had a
vivid dream. It seemed to be a cold January afternoon, and Aleister
Crowley was having Gerald Gardner over to tea. It was 1945, and talk of
an early end to the war was in the air. An atmosphere of optimism
prevailed in the "free world", but the wheezing old magus was having
none of it.
"Nobody
is interested in magick any more!" Crowley ejaculated. "My friends on
the Continent are dead or in exile, or grown old; the movement in
America is in shambles. I've seen my best candidates turn against
me...Achad, Regardie - even that gentleman out in California, what's -
his - name, AMORC, the one that made all the money."
"O,
bosh, Crowley," Gardner waved his hand impatiently, "all things
considered, you've done pretty well for yourself. Why, you've been
called the `wickedest man in the world' and by more than a few. And
you've not, if you'll pardon the impertinence, done too badly with the
ladies."
Crowley
coughed, tugged on his pipe reflectively. "You know" he finally
ventured, "it's like I've been trying to tell this fellow Grant. A
restrictive Order is not enough. If I had it all to do over again, I
would've built a religion for the unwashed masses instead of just a
secret society. Why, the opportunities! The women!"
Gardner
smiled. "Precisely. And that is what I have come to propose to you.
Take your BOOK OF THE LAW, your GNOSTIC MASS. Add a little razzle-dazzle
for the country folk. Why I know these occultists who call themselves
`witches'. They dance around fires naked, get drunk, have a good time.
Rosicrucians, I think. Proper English country squires and dames, mostly,
I think they read a lot of Frazier and Margaret Murray. If I could
persuade you to draw on your long experience and talents, in no time at
all we could invent a popular cult that would have beautiful ladies
clamoring to let us strip them naked, tie them up and spank their
behinds! If, Mr. Crowley, you'll excuse my explicitness."
For
all his infirmity, Aleister Crowley almost sprang to his feet, a little
of the old energy flashing through his loins. "By George, Gardner,
you've got something there, I should think! I could license you to
initiate people into the O.T.O. today, and you could form the nucleus of
such a group!" He paced in agitation. "Yes, yes," he mused, half to
Gardner, half to himself. "The Book. The Mass. I could write some
rituals. An `ancient book' of magick. A `book of shadows'. Priestesses,
naked girls. Yes. By Jove, yes!"
Great
story, but merely a dream, created out of bits and pieces of rumor,
history and imagination. Don't be surprised, though, if a year or five
years from now you read it as "gospel" (which is an ironic synonym for
`truth') in some new learned text on the fabled history of Wicca. Such
is the way all mythologies come into being.
Please
don't misunderstand me here; I use the word `mythology' in this context
in its aboriginal meaning, and with considerable respect. History is
more metaphor than factual accounting at best, and there are myths by
which we live and others by which we die. Myths are the dreams and
visions that parallel objective history. This entire work is, in fact,
an attempt to approximate history.
To
arrive at some perspective on what the modern mythos called, variously,
"Wicca", the "Old Religion", "Witchcraft" and "Neopaganism" is, we must
firstly make a firm distinction; "witchcraft" in the popular informally
defined sense may have little to do with the modern religion that goes
by the same name. It has been argued by defenders of and formal
apologists for modern Wicca that it is a direct lineal descendent of an
ancient, indeed, prehistoric worldwide folk religion.
Some
proponents hedge their claims, calling Wicca a "revival" rather than a
continuation of an ancient cult. Oddly enough, there may never have been
any such cult! The first time I met someone who thought she was a
"witch," she started going on about being a "blue of the cloak." I
should've been warned right then and there. In fact, as time has passed
and the religion has spread, the claims of lineal continuity have tended
to be hedged more and more. Thus, we find Dr. Gardner himself, in 1954,
stating unambiguously that some witches are descendants "...of a line
of priests and priestesses of an old and probably Stone Age religion,
who have been initiated in a certain way (received into the circle) and
become the recipients of certain ancient learning." (Gardner, WITCHCRAFT
TODAY, pp. 33-34.)
Stated
in its most extreme form, Wicca may be defined as an ancient pagan
religious system of beliefs and practices, with a form of apostolic
succession (that is, with knowledge and ordination handed on lineally
from generation to generation), a more or less consistent set of rites
and myths, and even a secret holy book of considerable antiquity (The
Book of Shadows).
More
recent writers, as we have noted, have hedged a good deal on these
claims, particularly the latter. Thus we find Stewart Farrar in 1971
musing on the purported ancient text thusly: "Whether, therefore, the
whole of the Book of Shadows is post-1897 is anyone's guess. Mine is
that, like the Bible, it is a patchwork of periods and sources, and that
since it is copied and re-copied by hand, it includes amendments,
additions, and stylistic alterations according to the taste of a
succession of copiers.
Parts
of it I sense to be genuinely old; other parts suggest modern
interpolation..." (Farrar, WHAT WITCHES DO, pp. 34-35.) As we shall
discover presently, there appear to be no genuinely old copies of the
Book of Shadows.
Still,
as to the mythos, Farrar informs us that the "two personifications of
witchcraft are the Horned God and the Mother Goddess..." (ibid. p 29)
and that the "Horned God is not the Devil, and never has been. If today
`Satanist' covens do exist, they are not witches but a sick fringe,
delayed-reaction victims of a centuries-old Church propaganda in which
even intelligent Christians no longer believe." (Ibid, p 32).
One
could protest: "Very well, some case might be made for the Horned God
being mistaken for the Christian Devil (or should that be the other way
around?). But what record, prior to the advent 50 years ago of modern
Wicca via Gerald Gardner, do we have of the survival of a mother goddess
image from ancient times?"
Wiccan
apologists frequently refer to the (apparently isolated) tenth century
church document which states that "some wicked women, perverted by the
Devil, seduced by the illusions and phantasms of demons, believe and
profess themselves in the hours of the night to ride upon certain beasts
with Diana, the Goddess of pagans, or with Herodias, and an innumerable
multitude of women, and in the silence of the dead of night to traverse
great spaces of earth, and to obey her commands as of their mistress,
and to be summoned to her service on certain nights." (Quoted in
Valiente, WITCHCRAFT FOR TOMORROW, Hale, 1978, p 32.) I do not doubt
that bits of pagan folklore survived on the Continent through the first
millennium - Northern Europe remained overtly pagan until the High
Middle Ages. But what has this to do with Wicca?
Farrar,
for his part, explains the lack of references to a goddess in the
testimony at the infamous witch trials by asserting that "the judges
ignored the Goddess, being preoccupied with the Satan-image of the God."
(WHAT WITCHES DO p 33). But it is the evidence of that reign of terror
which lasted from roughly 1484 to 1692 which brings the whole idea of a
surviving religious cult into question. It is now the conventional
wisdom on the witch burning mania which swept like a plague over much of
Europe during the transition from medieval world to modern, that it was
JUST that; a mania, a delusion in the minds of Christian clergymen and
state authorities. That is, there were no witches, only the innocent
victims of the witch hunt.
Further,
this humanist argument goes, the `witchcraft' of Satanic worship,
broomstick riding, of Sabbats and Devil-marks, was a rather late
invention, borrowing but little from remaining memories of actual
pre-Christian paganism. We have seen a resurrection of this mania in the
1980s flurry over `Satanic sacrificial' cults, with as little evidence.
"The
concept of the heresy of witchcraft was frankly regarded as a new
invention, both by the theologians and by the public," writes Dr.
Rossell Hope Robbins in THE ENCYCLOPEDIA OF WITCHCRAFT & DEMONOLOGY,
(Crown, 1959, p.9). "Having to hurdle an early church law, the Canon
Episcopi, which said in effect that belief in witchcraft was
superstitious and heretical, the inquisitors caviled by arguing that the
witchcraft of the Canon Episcopi and the witchcraft of the Inquisition
were different..."
The
evidence extracted under the most gruesome and repeated tortures
resembles the Wiccan religion of today in only the most cursory fashion.
Though Wicca may have been framed with the "confessions" extracted by
victims of the inquisitors in mind, those "confessions" -- which are
more than suspect, to begin with, bespeak a cult of devil worshipers
dedicated to evil.
One
need only read a few of the accounts of the time to realize that, had
there been at the time a religion of the Goddess and God, of seasonal
circles and The Book of Shadows, such would likely have been blurted out
by the victims, and more than once. The agonies of the accused were,
almost literally, beyond the imagination of those of us who have been
fortunate enough to escape them.
The
witch mania went perhaps unequaled in the annals of crimes against
humanity en masse, until the Hitlerian brutality of our own century.
But, no such confessions were forthcoming, though the wretches accused,
before the torture was done, would also be compelled to condemn their
own parents, spouses, loved ones, even children. They confessed, and to
anything the inquisitors wished, anything to stop or reduce the pain.
A
Priest, probably at risk to his own life, recorded testimony in the
1600s that reflected the reality underlying the forced "confessions" of
"witches". Rev. Michael Stapirius records, for example, this comment
from one "confessed witch": "I never dreamed that by means of the
torture a person could be brought to the point of telling such lies as I
have told. I am not a witch, and I have never seen the devil, and still
I had to plead guilty myself and denounce others..." All but one copy
of Father Stapirius' book were destroyed and little wonder.
A
letter smuggled from a German burgomaster, Johannes Junius, to his
daughter in 1628 is as telling as it is painful even to read. His hands
had been virtually destroyed in the torture, and he wrote only with
great agony and no hope. "When at last the executioner led me back to
the cell, he said to me, `Sir, I beg you, for God's sake, confess
something, whether it be true or not. Invent something, for you cannot
endure the torture which you will be put to; and, even if you bear it
all, yet you will not escape, not even if you were an earl, but one
torture will follow another until you say you are a witch. Not before
that,' he said, `will they let you go, as you may see by all their
trials, for one is just like another...' " (ibid, pp. 12-13)
For
the graspers-at-straws, we may find an occasional line in a
"confession" which is intriguing, as in the notations on the
"confession" of one woman from Germany dated in late 1637. After days of
unspeakable torment, wherein the woman confesses under pain, recants
when the pain is removed, only to be moved by more pain to confess
again, she is asked: "How did she influence the weather? She does not
know what to say and can only whisper, Oh, Heavenly Queen, protect me!"
Was
the victim calling upon "the goddess"? Or, as seems more likely, upon
that aforementioned transfiguration of all ancient goddesses in
Christian mythology, the Virgin Mary. One more quote from Dr. Robbins,
and I will cease to parade late medieval history before you.
It
comes from yet another priest, Father Cornelius Loos, who observed, in
1592 that "Wretched creatures are compelled by the severity of the
torture to confess things they have never done, and so by cruel butchery
innocent lives are taken..." (ibid, p 16). The "evidence" of the witch
trials indicates, on the whole, neither the Satanism the church and
state would have us believe, nor the pagan survivals now claimed by
modern Wicca. Rather, they suggest only fear, greed, human brutality
carried out to bizarre extremes that have few parallels in all of
history. But, the brutality is not that of `witches' or of `Satanists'
but rather that of the Christian Church, and the government.
What,
then, are we to make of modern Wicca? It must, of course, be observed
as an aside that in a sense witchcraft or "wisecraft" has, indeed, been
with us from the dawn of time; not as a coherent religion or set of
practices and beliefs, but as the folk magic and medicine that stretches
back to early, possibly Paleolithic tribal shamans on to modern China's
so-called "barefoot doctors".
In
another sense, we can also say that ceremonial magick, as I have
previously noted, has had a place in history for a very long time, and
both these ancient systems of belief and practice have intermingled in
the lore of modern Wicca, as apologists are quick to claim.
But,
to an extent, this misses the point and skirts an essential question
anyone has the right to ask about modern Wicca - namely, did Wicca exist
as a coherent creed, a distinct form of spiritual expression, prior to
the 1940s? That is, prior to the meeting of minds between the old magus
and venerable prophet of the occult world Aleister Crowley, and the
first popularizer, if not outright inventor of modern Wicca, Gerald
Brosseau Gardner?
There
is certainly no doubt that bits and pieces of ancient paganism survived
into modern times in folklore and, for that matter, in the very
practices and beliefs of Christianity.
Further,
there appears to be some evidence that `Old George' Pickingill and
others were practicing some form of folk magick as early as the latter
part of the last century, though even this has recently been brought
into question. Wiccan writers have made much of this in the past, but
just what `Old George' was into is subject to many debates.
| clad in sky | by Lux for everyone |
(1953)
It is important to work naked from the start, so it becometh as second nature, and no thought of "I have no
clothes" shall ever intrude and take your attention from the work. Also, your skin being so accustomed to
unconfinement, when power is given off the flow is more easy and regular. Also, when dancing you are free and
unconfined. . . . And the greatest of all, the touch of the body of your beloved thrills your inmost soul, and so
your body gives out its utmost power; and then it is most important of all that there is not the slightest thing
to divert the attention, for then the mind must seize and mold the power generated, and redirect it to the
desired end with all the force and frenzy of the imagination. It has been said that no real knowledge may be
gained our way, that our practices are such that they can only lead to lust; but this is not really so. Our aim
is to gain the inner sight, and we do it the most natural and easy way. Our opponents' aim is ever to prevent man
and woman from loving, thinking that everything that helps or even permits them to love is wicked and vile. To us
it is natural, and if it aids the Great Work it is good. 'Tis true that a couple burning with a frenzy for
knowledge may go straight to their goal, but the average couple have not this fire. We show them the way, our
system of props and aids (i.e., magic ritual). A couple working with nothing but lust will never attain in any
case; but a couple who love each other dearly should already be sleeping together, and the first frenzy of love
will have passed, and their souls will already be in sympathy. If the first time or two they do stay a while to
worship Aphrod ite, 'tis only a day or two lost, and the intense pleasure they obtain only leads them again to
the mysteries of Hermes, their souls more attuned to the great search. Once they have pierced the veil they will
not look back. This rite may be used as the greatest of magics if it be done with both partners firmly fixing
their minds on the object and not thinking of sex at all. That is, you must so firmly fix your mind on your
object that sex and all else are naught. You inflame your will to such an extent that you may create a strain on
the astral such that events happen.
"ever enter as ye be for dawn is set as thee see...." witch truth...(root)
gard-net bos
It is important to work naked from the start, so it becometh as second nature, and no thought of "I have no
clothes" shall ever intrude and take your attention from the work. Also, your skin being so accustomed to
unconfinement, when power is given off the flow is more easy and regular. Also, when dancing you are free and
unconfined. . . . And the greatest of all, the touch of the body of your beloved thrills your inmost soul, and so
your body gives out its utmost power; and then it is most important of all that there is not the slightest thing
to divert the attention, for then the mind must seize and mold the power generated, and redirect it to the
desired end with all the force and frenzy of the imagination. It has been said that no real knowledge may be
gained our way, that our practices are such that they can only lead to lust; but this is not really so. Our aim
is to gain the inner sight, and we do it the most natural and easy way. Our opponents' aim is ever to prevent man
and woman from loving, thinking that everything that helps or even permits them to love is wicked and vile. To us
it is natural, and if it aids the Great Work it is good. 'Tis true that a couple burning with a frenzy for
knowledge may go straight to their goal, but the average couple have not this fire. We show them the way, our
system of props and aids (i.e., magic ritual). A couple working with nothing but lust will never attain in any
case; but a couple who love each other dearly should already be sleeping together, and the first frenzy of love
will have passed, and their souls will already be in sympathy. If the first time or two they do stay a while to
worship Aphrod ite, 'tis only a day or two lost, and the intense pleasure they obtain only leads them again to
the mysteries of Hermes, their souls more attuned to the great search. Once they have pierced the veil they will
not look back. This rite may be used as the greatest of magics if it be done with both partners firmly fixing
their minds on the object and not thinking of sex at all. That is, you must so firmly fix your mind on your
object that sex and all else are naught. You inflame your will to such an extent that you may create a strain on
the astral such that events happen.
"ever enter as ye be for dawn is set as thee see...." witch truth...(root)
gard-net bos
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Wzdrylmaster1 [11:01 PM]: shall i show you?
BITE2 [11:01 PM]: should be pretty
BITE2 [11:01 PM]: please
BITE2 [11:02 PM]: i believe it should be a beautiful rite
Wzdrylmaster1 [11:03 PM]: in a couple of candles 5, by night sit the young one wrapped in lining in the center light all five the candles fire see, and then opon a tree inscribe the name backwards, dring all the group from a cup of silver water of the woods day
Wzdrylmaster1 [11:04 PM]: and then aniot the young on the sacred mark (forehead) and then place one who is called at each candle if set by only one let this person rotate thusly
Wzdrylmaster1 [11:06 PM]: from hands at waist raise in high to each the candle seen, then bow in low of head....at the right in the outher is the lady of the blade and she will place and walkfor the kiss to be set, if again gone in this one by one you walk to the lighted candle be
Wzdrylmaster1 [11:07 PM]: then place the young one in the arms of the holder and lift her or him to a safe place... the incense the circle and name your goddess in tone, then end the same as you arrived....
Wzdrylmaster1 [11:08 PM]: (Thats a witches Way)
BITE2 [11:09 PM]: its ok..i like
BITE2 [11:09 PM]: but i like having the parent(s) take a vow also
Wzdrylmaster1 [11:09 PM]: lol, up to you
Wzdrylmaster1 [11:10 PM]: just gave you a view of a witches circle ritual as the young one is offered in,
BITE2 [11:10 PM]: ty
Wzdrylmaster1 [11:11 PM]: at ages of 1 or 2 up to 7 return with the child and point to the name and have them touch the tree with their hand
BITE2 [11:12 PM]: o cool
Wzdrylmaster1 [11:12 PM]: after 7 you can't do it no more, it should be their own
Wzdrylmaster1 [11:13 PM]: real real is powerful and silent, while the fase speak loud and play with tones
BITE2 [11:01 PM]: should be pretty
BITE2 [11:01 PM]: please
BITE2 [11:02 PM]: i believe it should be a beautiful rite
Wzdrylmaster1 [11:03 PM]: in a couple of candles 5, by night sit the young one wrapped in lining in the center light all five the candles fire see, and then opon a tree inscribe the name backwards, dring all the group from a cup of silver water of the woods day
Wzdrylmaster1 [11:04 PM]: and then aniot the young on the sacred mark (forehead) and then place one who is called at each candle if set by only one let this person rotate thusly
Wzdrylmaster1 [11:06 PM]: from hands at waist raise in high to each the candle seen, then bow in low of head....at the right in the outher is the lady of the blade and she will place and walkfor the kiss to be set, if again gone in this one by one you walk to the lighted candle be
Wzdrylmaster1 [11:07 PM]: then place the young one in the arms of the holder and lift her or him to a safe place... the incense the circle and name your goddess in tone, then end the same as you arrived....
Wzdrylmaster1 [11:08 PM]: (Thats a witches Way)
BITE2 [11:09 PM]: its ok..i like
BITE2 [11:09 PM]: but i like having the parent(s) take a vow also
Wzdrylmaster1 [11:09 PM]: lol, up to you
Wzdrylmaster1 [11:10 PM]: just gave you a view of a witches circle ritual as the young one is offered in,
BITE2 [11:10 PM]: ty
Wzdrylmaster1 [11:11 PM]: at ages of 1 or 2 up to 7 return with the child and point to the name and have them touch the tree with their hand
BITE2 [11:12 PM]: o cool
Wzdrylmaster1 [11:12 PM]: after 7 you can't do it no more, it should be their own
Wzdrylmaster1 [11:13 PM]: real real is powerful and silent, while the fase speak loud and play with tones
| witches mixed messages part 2 | by Lux for everyone |
Aurora [1:24 PM]: hey
Wzdrylmaster1 [1:24 PM]: hello
Aurora [1:24 PM]: hows it goin?
Wzdrylmaster1 [1:25 PM]: updating my group..the root
Aurora [1:25 PM]: so... i know this might seem like an annoying question to ask... but witch movie or not... what are some of your all time fav movies ever? I LOVE to ask people their fav movies... i feel like u find out a lot about them... i dunno
Aurora [1:25 PM]: oh yeah?
Wzdrylmaster1 [1:26 PM]: getting the ones who want in free acess and the ones who are lingering out..
Aurora [1:26 PM]: ahhhhhh
Wzdrylmaster1 [1:27 PM]: huh, witch movies?
Aurora[1:27 PM]: any
Wzdrylmaster1 [1:29 PM]: the witches of eastwick, the blueberry witch, the craft, practical magic, elvira, witchcraft 2, satans school for girls the remake, how to be a witch, and well a few others
Aurora[1:30 PM]: i just love movies so i like to ask people which movies they like...
Aurora[1:30 PM]: ya know
Wzdrylmaster1 [1:31 PM]: you did know that in starwars princese laya was going to be a witch type, but they removied the idea and sole it christian based
Aurora[1:31 PM]: really?
Aurora [1:31 PM]: i did not know that
Aurora[1:31 PM]: why did they change their mind
Aurora [1:31 PM]: do u love LOTR
Wzdrylmaster1 [1:32 PM]: not really, gandulf is cool but sucks as a wizard
Aurora [1:33 PM]: oh i like Gandalf
Aurora [1:33 PM]: i mean i dont know all about wizardry and all but i like him
Wzdrylmaster1 [1:33 PM]: well he made two classic mistakes
Aurora [1:33 PM]: whats that??
Wzdrylmaster1 [1:34 PM]: one he left powerful skill in the hands of fools, and not protected it, for fear of corruption
Wzdrylmaster1 [1:35 PM]: and went to the one who is of his order and not known he was bad...
Wzdrylmaster1 [1:35 PM]: any wizard worthy of their salt knows who plays on whom team...
Aurora[1:36 PM]: hmmm...
Wzdrylmaster1 [1:38 PM]: its a classical mistake in all wizard type movies..
Aurora [1:38 PM]: really?
Wzdrylmaster1 [1:38 PM]: because movies know jack about wizardry
Aurora[1:38 PM]: ahhh
Aurora [1:39 PM]: movies know jack about anything kinda
Wzdrylmaster1 [1:39 PM]: they research, but then they mix and match..lol aka wicca
Aurora [1:39 PM]: ha gotcha
Wzdrylmaster1 [1:40 PM]: they why i like magics that draw the line and tell you what is what
Wzdrylmaster1 [1:40 PM]: not just points a finger into the woods and says go
Aurora[1:47 PM]: gotcha
Aurora [1:47 PM]: what do u think of the salem witch trials?
Aurora[1:47 PM]: i am reading this book called "The Devil in Massachusets" that is supposed to be based on them, but we shall see...
Wzdrylmaster1 [1:48 PM]: fake
Aurora [1:48 PM]: u def think so
Wzdrylmaster1 [1:48 PM]: know so
Aurora[1:48 PM]: tell me
Wzdrylmaster1 [1:48 PM]: the trials was based on the outbrake of voodoo and the idea that the churches needed more space
Wzdrylmaster1 [1:49 PM]: the ones that got hung or tortured wasn't witches by their students
Aurora[1:49 PM]: hmm?
Wzdrylmaster1 [1:50 PM]: witches of the day was more into casting the spells for others but ever so often they might teach
Wzdrylmaster1 [1:51 PM]: and the students of the wittend to want to change stuff....then the hype happens
Wzdrylmaster1 [1:51 PM]: witch wanted
Wzdrylmaster1 [1:52 PM]: in the 1400's you couldn't learn witchcraft, others went to gypsy or witch type to get spells done
Wzdrylmaster1 [1:53 PM]: only if you lived as a homeless or derilic was you taught witchery
Aurora [1:53 PM]: hmmm
Wzdrylmaster1 [1:53 PM]: some taught skills in the family but mostly it was a chance encounter
Aurora[1:54 PM]: oh
Wzdrylmaster1 [1:55 PM]: the families of today that claim legacy in witchcraft are doing what i call granny notes, old herbal or cultural recipies and stories not witchery
Wzdrylmaster1 [1:56 PM]: every long lived family has its heiratage but few are worthy of the legacy of witchcraft
Aurora [1:56 PM]: thats still pretty cool though
Aurora [1:56 PM]: oh
Aurora [1:56 PM]: any names that u know of that are "extremely well known" for the witchcraft name?
Wzdrylmaster1 [1:56 PM]: mythos lead to theory theory to practice and practice to trial
Wzdrylmaster1 [1:57 PM]: yes...
Aurora [1:57 PM]: ahhhh
Wzdrylmaster1 [1:57 PM]: and most are fake..
Wzdrylmaster1 [1:57 PM]: cabbot of salem, she models herself after sara good
Wzdrylmaster1 [1:58 PM]: dorieen valintee she models herself after the goddess diana
Wzdrylmaster1 [1:59 PM]: le vays 3 consorts ( all priestess ) they play at being isis, nuit, and lilith
Wzdrylmaster1 [1:59 PM]: and then you have madam green
Wzdrylmaster1 [1:59 PM]: (writer of the green legacy)
Wzdrylmaster1 [1:24 PM]: hello
Aurora [1:24 PM]: hows it goin?
Wzdrylmaster1 [1:25 PM]: updating my group..the root
Aurora [1:25 PM]: so... i know this might seem like an annoying question to ask... but witch movie or not... what are some of your all time fav movies ever? I LOVE to ask people their fav movies... i feel like u find out a lot about them... i dunno
Aurora [1:25 PM]: oh yeah?
Wzdrylmaster1 [1:26 PM]: getting the ones who want in free acess and the ones who are lingering out..
Aurora [1:26 PM]: ahhhhhh
Wzdrylmaster1 [1:27 PM]: huh, witch movies?
Aurora[1:27 PM]: any
Wzdrylmaster1 [1:29 PM]: the witches of eastwick, the blueberry witch, the craft, practical magic, elvira, witchcraft 2, satans school for girls the remake, how to be a witch, and well a few others
Aurora[1:30 PM]: i just love movies so i like to ask people which movies they like...
Aurora[1:30 PM]: ya know
Wzdrylmaster1 [1:31 PM]: you did know that in starwars princese laya was going to be a witch type, but they removied the idea and sole it christian based
Aurora[1:31 PM]: really?
Aurora [1:31 PM]: i did not know that
Aurora[1:31 PM]: why did they change their mind
Aurora [1:31 PM]: do u love LOTR
Wzdrylmaster1 [1:32 PM]: not really, gandulf is cool but sucks as a wizard
Aurora [1:33 PM]: oh i like Gandalf
Aurora [1:33 PM]: i mean i dont know all about wizardry and all but i like him
Wzdrylmaster1 [1:33 PM]: well he made two classic mistakes
Aurora [1:33 PM]: whats that??
Wzdrylmaster1 [1:34 PM]: one he left powerful skill in the hands of fools, and not protected it, for fear of corruption
Wzdrylmaster1 [1:35 PM]: and went to the one who is of his order and not known he was bad...
Wzdrylmaster1 [1:35 PM]: any wizard worthy of their salt knows who plays on whom team...
Aurora[1:36 PM]: hmmm...
Wzdrylmaster1 [1:38 PM]: its a classical mistake in all wizard type movies..
Aurora [1:38 PM]: really?
Wzdrylmaster1 [1:38 PM]: because movies know jack about wizardry
Aurora[1:38 PM]: ahhh
Aurora [1:39 PM]: movies know jack about anything kinda
Wzdrylmaster1 [1:39 PM]: they research, but then they mix and match..lol aka wicca
Aurora [1:39 PM]: ha gotcha
Wzdrylmaster1 [1:40 PM]: they why i like magics that draw the line and tell you what is what
Wzdrylmaster1 [1:40 PM]: not just points a finger into the woods and says go
Aurora[1:47 PM]: gotcha
Aurora [1:47 PM]: what do u think of the salem witch trials?
Aurora[1:47 PM]: i am reading this book called "The Devil in Massachusets" that is supposed to be based on them, but we shall see...
Wzdrylmaster1 [1:48 PM]: fake
Aurora [1:48 PM]: u def think so
Wzdrylmaster1 [1:48 PM]: know so
Aurora[1:48 PM]: tell me
Wzdrylmaster1 [1:48 PM]: the trials was based on the outbrake of voodoo and the idea that the churches needed more space
Wzdrylmaster1 [1:49 PM]: the ones that got hung or tortured wasn't witches by their students
Aurora[1:49 PM]: hmm?
Wzdrylmaster1 [1:50 PM]: witches of the day was more into casting the spells for others but ever so often they might teach
Wzdrylmaster1 [1:51 PM]: and the students of the wittend to want to change stuff....then the hype happens
Wzdrylmaster1 [1:51 PM]: witch wanted
Wzdrylmaster1 [1:52 PM]: in the 1400's you couldn't learn witchcraft, others went to gypsy or witch type to get spells done
Wzdrylmaster1 [1:53 PM]: only if you lived as a homeless or derilic was you taught witchery
Aurora [1:53 PM]: hmmm
Wzdrylmaster1 [1:53 PM]: some taught skills in the family but mostly it was a chance encounter
Aurora[1:54 PM]: oh
Wzdrylmaster1 [1:55 PM]: the families of today that claim legacy in witchcraft are doing what i call granny notes, old herbal or cultural recipies and stories not witchery
Wzdrylmaster1 [1:56 PM]: every long lived family has its heiratage but few are worthy of the legacy of witchcraft
Aurora [1:56 PM]: thats still pretty cool though
Aurora [1:56 PM]: oh
Aurora [1:56 PM]: any names that u know of that are "extremely well known" for the witchcraft name?
Wzdrylmaster1 [1:56 PM]: mythos lead to theory theory to practice and practice to trial
Wzdrylmaster1 [1:57 PM]: yes...
Aurora [1:57 PM]: ahhhh
Wzdrylmaster1 [1:57 PM]: and most are fake..
Wzdrylmaster1 [1:57 PM]: cabbot of salem, she models herself after sara good
Wzdrylmaster1 [1:58 PM]: dorieen valintee she models herself after the goddess diana
Wzdrylmaster1 [1:59 PM]: le vays 3 consorts ( all priestess ) they play at being isis, nuit, and lilith
Wzdrylmaster1 [1:59 PM]: and then you have madam green
Wzdrylmaster1 [1:59 PM]: (writer of the green legacy)
| saddly the bs learning of pagan witchcraft | by Lux for everyone |
The Earth Is A Witch
Ecofeminism, Deep Ecology, and the Pagan Movement
Introduction
I. In the Belly of the Goddess: Earthbody as Sacred Body
II. Earth-God Rising: Non-Patriarchal Images of Masculinity for
Earth-Healing
III. Gaia's Voices: Paganism, Ecology, and Ecumenical Dialogue
Concluding Thoughts
Appendices
I. Myth, Metaphor, and Reality: understanding the God/dess
II. Deep Ecological Principles and Positions
III. Documents of Pagan Belief
IV. Selected Songs, Chants, and Poems
Ecofeminism, Deep Ecology, and the Pagan Movement
Introduction
I. In the Belly of the Goddess: Earthbody as Sacred Body
II. Earth-God Rising: Non-Patriarchal Images of Masculinity for
Earth-Healing
III. Gaia's Voices: Paganism, Ecology, and Ecumenical Dialogue
Concluding Thoughts
Appendices
I. Myth, Metaphor, and Reality: understanding the God/dess
II. Deep Ecological Principles and Positions
III. Documents of Pagan Belief
IV. Selected Songs, Chants, and Poems
Pagan
is a learning and feeling art, that has more to do with mythology and
drama then the ancient arts of reasoning, and witchcraft doesn't deal
directly with these arts only in perhaps shaman like study does this
even enter as a concept...
so why say pagan is
witchery, what to make you feel your connected to it, or the drama
brought up as witchcraft in the eyes of the real users of witchcraft, or
is it more a lore to sell pagan like they now sell wicca?
witch lessons are about magic, the circle and the chains of how magic is traced...
get real......or just party.......
| a question about the wiccan/themic/crowley circle | by Lux for everyone |
:-p
There is no way that Crowley, even until his dying day, would put the
words "I am the flame that burns in every heart of man and in the
core of every star" in the mouth of a Goddess. Various reasons - he
had too much respect for AL, and by the end of his life (susequent to
the Amalantrah and Ab-ul-diz workings) actually believe in the real,
exterior existence of spirits, gods etc. The way Crowley perceived
Nuit means that it would be impossible to even think in these terms
about a Goddess who is essentially Her analogue. Crowley would also
have understood that the "An it harm none" clause is absolutely
pointless in terms of the rest of the phrase. Arguably he chartered
Gardner, but I doubt that one too - if you look at the charter, it
begins "Do what thou will shall be the law" - how likely is it that
Crowley would make that mistake?
But you know this. :-p
As to whether I credit Gardner with "condensing" Thelemic material...
well, I think that's a little too complimentary a term to descrieb
what he did to some of the material, but combining it with the
Grimoire texts and fragments of traditional belief, as well as bad
scholarship, I think it is likely. I don't think Gerald was clever
enough to do it entirely on his own, just as I don't think Mathers
created the GD system all on his own.
James
thank you those that want to know......and see...There is no way that Crowley, even until his dying day, would put the
words "I am the flame that burns in every heart of man and in the
core of every star" in the mouth of a Goddess. Various reasons - he
had too much respect for AL, and by the end of his life (susequent to
the Amalantrah and Ab-ul-diz workings) actually believe in the real,
exterior existence of spirits, gods etc. The way Crowley perceived
Nuit means that it would be impossible to even think in these terms
about a Goddess who is essentially Her analogue. Crowley would also
have understood that the "An it harm none" clause is absolutely
pointless in terms of the rest of the phrase. Arguably he chartered
Gardner, but I doubt that one too - if you look at the charter, it
begins "Do what thou will shall be the law" - how likely is it that
Crowley would make that mistake?
But you know this. :-p
As to whether I credit Gardner with "condensing" Thelemic material...
well, I think that's a little too complimentary a term to descrieb
what he did to some of the material, but combining it with the
Grimoire texts and fragments of traditional belief, as well as bad
scholarship, I think it is likely. I don't think Gerald was clever
enough to do it entirely on his own, just as I don't think Mathers
created the GD system all on his own.
James
| why does wiccan design try and have witch imagery.. | by Lux for everyone |
you
would figure a culture even 70 years in, would have their own
symbolism, is is that farther proof from what they steal and not
serve..."do as you will part" i'm guessing..
HERE NOW VIEW THE DESIGN OF THE MODERN WICCA
if you want to be like a witch say it don't try and steal the image
even if it is the same one you claim isn't real
but yet you will freely promote as your own.........wonder why?
Oh, and don't give me i'm an Ecletic wiccan
thats Bs and you know it...
What happen to being responsible for your own actions....
(perhaps they missed that chapter in the wiccan book)
WITCHES ARE AND KNOW WHY, WHY CAN'T THEY......
| witchcraft lore by the book | by Lux for everyone |
Throughout the world and history covens of Witches in different cities
and towns have inherited certain terms, none just like the other. Here I
will list a few.
Arras Witches
- A mass witch-hunt in Arras, northern in 1459-60. The accused were
brutally tortured and promised their lives, then burned at the stake.
This affair began in Langres during 1459 when a hermit, who may have
been suspected of being one of the Vaudois, was arrested. Under torture
he admitted to attending a Sabbat. The hermit after naming other
companions was then burned at the stake. This was one of the earliest
witch-hunts in the region. Baba Yaga
- In Russian folklore, a female Witch who loved to roast and eat
people, preferably children. She was as likely to pop a niece in the
oven as she was a stranger. She lived in a little hut beyond a river of
fire in the "thrice tenth kingdom". The hut was ringed with stakes and
topped with human heads. Those who were brave enough to enter the hut
usually found Baba Yaga lying on the floor with her with her right leg
in one corner and her left leg in another, sometimes with her nose
growing into the ceiling. Baba Yaga possessed a magic wand and flew in
an iron cauldron that she spurred on with a pestle as she swept away her
tracks with a broom. She had either 2 or 3 sisters also named Baba
Yaga. Bamberg Witches
- The torture and execution of at least 100, 000 Witches in Germany
during the 16th and 17th centuries peaked in Bamberg. These witch-hunts
were lead by obsessed rulers, who used barbaric tactics, inflicting
horrendous torture and condemning victims to horrible deaths. Some of
the worst Witch trials occurred in the 1620s in Bamberg. At this time
Gottfried Johann Georg II Fuchs Von Dornheim ruled the state and had
established an "efficient Witch burning machine". Berkeley Witch
- In English folklore, the Berkeley Witch was a wealthy woman who lived
during the time of the Norman Conquest in the town of Berkeley in
England's heartland. She was wealthy and well liked, and lived
luxuriously. Her secret, kept until she was close to death, was that her
wealth was given to her by the devil in a pact for her soul. She had
apparently earned the name "Witch" simply because she had sold her soul
to the devil. This reflects the once common belief that all Witches made
diabolic pacts. Bruja/Brujo
- The feminine and masculine names for the Witches of Mexico,
Mesoamerica and Hispanic communities in the United States. The bruja,
the woman, is more prevalent and considered the more powerful. She is
sought for remedies for physical illness, spells, and charms to remedy
emotional, romantic, and social problems. Many of their remedies for
physical ailments are based on folk curses handed down through
centuries. Canewdon Witches
- According to a prophecy by the famous 19th century James Murell, the
Essex village of Canewdon, located in England's "Witch country" of East
Anglia, would be populated with Witches "forever". Indeed, the village
and the surrounding area have been steeped in Witch lore since at least
1580, when a woman named Rose Pye was accused of witchcraft, tried and
acquitted. Legend has it that every time a stone falls from the tower of
St. Nicholas Church one Witch will die and another will take her place.
At midnight a headless Witch sometimes materializes near the church and
floats down to the river. Anyone who encounters her is lifted into the
air and let down in the nearest ditch. Chelmsford Witches
- In the 16th and 17th centuries, the assizes in Chelmsford, Essez,
England was the site of four major Witch trials, all of, which
demonstrated the deplorable means by which innocent people were executed
on the basis of flimsy evidence of witchcraft. Council of American Witches
- An alliance of contemporary Witches from different traditions, which
was active in 1973-74 in an effort to define the principles of Wicca.
Carl Weschcke, a Wiccan priest and president of Llewellyn Publications
in St. Paul Minnesota spearheaded the effort. He believed that the
formulation of a common set of principles and definitions would help
dispel myths about witchcraft and distinguish it from Satanism in the
eyes of the public and press. Cunning Man/Cunning Woman
- Generic names applied to so-called "white Witches" who possess
psychic and healing powers. They provide cures, remedies, charms, spells
and divination, usually in exchange for a free gift. Traditionally,
cunning men and cunning women came into their craft by heredity. These
people were also traditionally the resident magician and healer of small
towns and villages. Curandero/Curandera
- Spanish terms for the medicine men and women of Mexico, Mesoamerica
and the Hispanic communities of the United States. The curandero and
curandera have a different healing function than their counterparts,
brujo and bruja. Curanderos (most are men) function as folk
psychiatrists, providing magical cures for mental and emotional
problems. A curandero will "clean the soul" which involves exorcising
spirits believed responsible for problems. Curanderos also use herbal
and folk remedies. Fairy Witch of Clonmel
- In Ireland belief in Witches traditionally has been tied closely to
belief in fairies. In folklore Witches and fairies mingle and
collaborate, and sometimes one is said to be the other. In 1984 in
Clonmel (county Tipperary), a young woman named Bridget Cleary was
tortured and burned to death because her husband believed the fairies
had spirited her away and substituted in her place a Witch changeling. Hedge Witch
- English Witch Rae Beth popularized this term to describe the
contemporary yet traditional village Witch or wise woman/man who
practices alone without a coven. The hedge Witch is one who 'knows' and
worships the Goddess and her consort, the Horned God; one who practices
spellcraft for the purposes of healing, and teaches the mysteries. The
contemporary hedge Witch is versed in the ways of nature, skilled in
herbalism, proficient in the casting of spells and observant of Pagan
seasonal festivals. Horned Women
- An Old Irish legend tells of 12 horned women, all Witches, who take
over the household of a rich woman and bewitch her and her sleeping
family. No reason for the bewitching was given. Perhaps in the times
that have passed no reason was necessary, for Witches were believed to
bewitch simply because they were Witches. The distressed woman did break
the spell in time. Island Magee Witches
- The last Witch trial to occur in Ireland took place in 1711 and
involved the mysterious death of a widow, poltergeist activities and the
bizarre possession of a serving girl. The accused Witches were not
executed, but sentenced to a much milder punishment of imprisonment and
public ridicule. The trial took place because the widow Anne Hattridge
continued to be stranded in her home surrounded by mysterious
activities. The trial was short and lasted from 6am until 2pm. The judge
believed that there was insufficient evidence to convict the
defendants, but obviously the jury disagreed and passed a guilty verdict
for all the defendants. They were sentenced to a year in jail and to
stand pillory four times during their incarceration. While pilloried
they were pelted with eggs and cabbage stalks; one of them was blinded
in the eye. Joan of Arc
(1412 - 1431) - A French peasant girl who spurred on by divine voices
and visions, fought the English and secured the coronation of the
dauphin Charles as King of France. Contrary to popular belief, she was
not executed by the English on charges of witchcraft, but for being a
relapsed heretic who denied the authority of the church. Lancaster Witches
- Two of the most notable Witch trials took place in the Pendle Forest
area of Lancaster County in 1612 and 1633. The 1612 trials are noted for
the records kept by court clerk Thomas Potts, published as a chapbook,
which set forth the hag stereotype of Witches. The 1633 trials involved a
boy who was coerced by his father into giving false testimony that
resulted in more than 30 arrests and 17 convictions. 
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